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Morning All,

I had my MY21 Evoque stolen from outside the house overnight on Sunday.

Just a little reminder that you can’t be too careful. I hadn’t been using a farriday bag and they appear to have exploited that.

The police advised that there is a massive surge in RR thefts currently.

The police went to the location on the remote app, recovered the car and the thieves so a generally satisfying result but I am yet to see the condition of the car.

According to the journey history they were getting 9 mpg on their travels so looks to have been a rather spirited drive.
 

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Looks like a good result in the end. Hope it is damage free.
Much as I miss keyless entry, I am glad I didn't take it as an option.
 
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Personally I think it's a shame that the police recovered it. I wouldn't want my car back after some scumbag has ragged and abused it....much rather have a brand new replacement.
 

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Personally I think it's a shame that the police recovered it. I wouldn't want my car back after some scumbag has ragged and abused it....much rather have a brand new replacement.
:unsure:In 2022 based on current new build delivery times.
 
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Personally I think it's a shame that the police recovered it. I wouldn't want my car back after some scumbag has ragged and abused it....much rather have a brand new replacement.
I thought that initially but then remembered the 6 month wait to get this one. Think it would be longer now
 

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I thought that initially but then remembered the 6 month wait to get this one. Think it would be longer now
Glad you had a good outcome - fingers crossed they didn't get any chance to do any damage to it. Treat her to a full valet to clear their grubby hands from her! I think the lead times are more like 12 months now after reading a few posts on here!!
 

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What a nightmare and thanks for the heads up. Please do post more information once your car is back with you.

I was still of the understanding that the newer Evoques had the keyless key, which slept if it wasn't moved, preventing the ability to be able to clone it. I guess not!
 

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What a nightmare and thanks for the heads up. Please do post more information once your car is back with you.

I was still of the understanding that the newer Evoques had the keyless key, which slept if it wasn't moved, preventing the ability to be able to clone it. I guess not!
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All current Land Rover models employ 'Ultra Wideband' (UWB) technology within the vehicle's Smart Keys. UWB is highly effective against so called 'relay attacks' where thieves intercept and transmit the key fob and vehicle security signals to unlock and start vehicles even when the key is not near the vehicle. UWB allows the vehicle to detect the physical location of the key with extreme accuracy and thus prevents relay attacks from being successful.
 

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That might be so but both our keys go in a faraday pouch and go upstairs at bedtime, if someone wanted ours bad enough that they booted the front door in and came upstairs then I would personally escort them to the farraday pouch, if they just want to dance around on the drive under a floodlight and CCTV then more fool them
 

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yes ready for mine to appear on the drive this week a blink security camera has been put up and linked too alexa round the house, faraday pouch is ready to be used although i will just switch the keyless entry off, it really isnt an issue for me to press a button, disklok ordered from Amazon too...

a loss adjuster came in too see us last week and showed us a video of a new toy doing the rounds for the criminals that has been made, it looks like an old gameboy but its a signal reader, put it next to a car and select a brand and it will scan and work out any cars frequency in seconds and open it and allow you to start it up and drive it, currently its for sale on the darkweb for £20,000 but eventually more people will replicate it and it well get cheaper

still the old trick of a garage door opener being pointed at a car as it is locked is the most simple and never seems to have been stopped, people walk away and think its locked, before they are round the corner the car is gone.... and as no forcible entry your not insured either!
 

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Omg! Sorry to hear about this and hope your car comes back in one piece, hopefully the scum got caught unaware.

I've just picked up my Evoque SE TECH and it has keyless entry, so you mean these low life scum can just use a device to enter the car?

How do I protect from this?
 

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Omg! Sorry to hear about this and hope your car comes back in one piece, hopefully the scum got caught unaware.

I've just picked up my Evoque SE TECH and it has keyless entry, so you mean these low life scum can just use a device to enter the car?

How do I protect from this?
Just disable the keyless entry and use the button on your key fob instead....much safer.
 

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Okay, what's the Farriday bag?
a small pouch or case that does not allow radio signals/waves in or out, the plod will often place a suspects phone in one to stop it being wiped remotely and retain evidence, you already have one in your house anyway if you have a microwave
 

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Okay, what's the Farriday bag?
Basically your key emits a very weak signal, when you are roughly a metre away from your car with the key in hand or pocket the car is close enough to pick up this signal and let's you in and allows it to start.

With the 'relay theft' as they call it a thief waves a homemade scanner and signal amplifier around your front door area hoping to pick up the weak signal from your key, they assume that like most people you walk in from work or wherever they've been and you place your key on a table in the hall or hang your jacket up with the key in the pocket still. They scan for this signal and amplify it all the while their accomplice is by your car pulling the door handles waiting and checking to see if the amplified signal has been picked up by the car, if so the doors open they jump in start the car and away they go.

Keeping your keys in a farraday pouch blocks the key signal right there at source, it's basically a fine wire mesh stitched into and around a wallet, works the same as a farraday cage, stuff you learnt in science at school, pouches are dirt cheap, we bought a pack of 2 for £5 off eBay, keeping the keys in a biscuit tins or microwave are said to do the same thing however there's no way of testing that short of carrying your microwave out to the car with the key inside to test the car still won't open
 

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still the old trick of a garage door opener being pointed at a car as it is locked is the most simple and never seems to have been stopped, people walk away and think its locked, before they are round the corner the car is gone.... and as no forcible entry your not insured either!
Surely if someone's car is stolen in this way they will be insured regardless. If the car has gone how will anyone know how it was done?!
 

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Surely if someone's car is stolen in this way they will be insured regardless. If the car has gone how will anyone know how it was done?!
I would agree that if the car was stolen and you have fully comp insurance then they should pay up. The issue with insurance is they will try and pay out less than what the car was paid for but would still charge an increased insurance premium. So a payout might be less money that you paid for the car and the police might charge a car recovery fee.
 

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Basically your key emits a very weak signal, when you are roughly a metre away from your car with the key in hand or pocket the car is close enough to pick up this signal and let's you in and allows it to start.

With the 'relay theft' as they call it a thief waves a homemade scanner and signal amplifier around your front door area hoping to pick up the weak signal from your key, they assume that like most people you walk in from work or wherever they've been and you place your key on a table in the hall or hang your jacket up with the key in the pocket still. They scan for this signal and amplify it all the while their accomplice is by your car pulling the door handles waiting and checking to see if the amplified signal has been picked up by the car, if so the doors open they jump in start the car and away they go.

Keeping your keys in a farraday pouch blocks the key signal right there at source, it's basically a fine wire mesh stitched into and around a wallet, works the same as a farraday cage, stuff you learnt in science at school, pouches are dirt cheap, we bought a pack of 2 for £5 off eBay, keeping the keys in a biscuit tins or microwave are said to do the same thing however there's no way of testing that short of carrying your microwave out to the car with the key inside to test the car still won't open

Thank you so much! I will disable keyless entry. Ive had prior keyless entry cars, but they have never been stolen.

How would you know if those eBay Farriday pouches even work? They could be fake?

Also parking the car a few blocks down would prevent the connection issue?
 

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Put the key in the pouch. Take the pouch to the car and check if the car still opens
 
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Surely if someone's car is stolen in this way they will be insured regardless. If the car has gone how will anyone know how it was done?!
not necessarily, if you read your policy wording it will say for theft that there must be evidence of forcible and or violent entry in order for a theft claim to be valid, that could be a violent robbery or a broken window to evidence this, its a real grey area, for now insurance companies are paying out due to the backlash they would get for not paying out (see the recent business interruption covid-19 court battle) but all it needs is one insurer to take too many hits on this and decide to stick to the black and white wordings and we will see wholesale change in this approach, the hope is that wordings will be rewritten to account for this type of theft, most insurers are like analogue watches in a digital world currently
 
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