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Hi, just about to place my order....and can't believe the difference in the brochure for the manual (9.5 secs) vs auto (8 secs). I read somewhere it's to do with the ratio of the first gear. Is that the case? Thanks
 

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Ogre4374.

To be honest, having driven both manual and diesel they in car feel is that both are quite swift.

Indeed the manual gave me that push in the back feeling implying it was motoring.

Maybe the stopwatch says different, so if you get the chance try driving both back to back as I did.
 

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I used to have a Ford RS2000 back in the 70's. That had a 0 to 60 time of 8.5 seconds and was - at the time - considered quick!
We've got the SD4 auto which is the same 0 - 60.
How times have changed and where performance is concerned, it's for the better.Edited by: Original forgery
 

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Ogre4374 said:
Hi, just about to place my order....and can't believe the difference in the brochure for the manual (9.5 secs) vs auto (8 secs). I read somewhere it's to do with the ratio of the first gear. Is that the case? Thanks
hi Ogre4374

Take a look what the auto gearbox can do

<a name="G1346775cD1"></a><a name="G1346775cD1"></a>DRIVING MODES

A number of different driving modes are available. Some can be selected by the driver and some are automatically initiated by the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> to adapt to different driving conditions.<ul>[*]Normal[*]Sports[*]Manual 'CommandShift„¢'[*]Cooling[*]Hill Descent Control (HDC)[*]Cruise[*]Limp home[*]Coast[*]Fast off recognition[*]Uphill and Trailer[*]Downhill[*]Wide Throttle[*]Terrain Response[*]Reverse lock-out[*]Kick-Down[*]Shift Adapt Under Braking[*]Corner Recognition[*]Road Gradient Recognition[*]Driver Type Recognition[/list]Normal

Normal mode is automatically selected by the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> when the ignition is switched on. In this mode all automatic and adaptive modes are active. Normal mode uses gear shift and lock-up maps which provide the optimum of fuel consumption, emissions and driveability, depending on the driving style.

If the transmission is operated in sport mode or 'CommandShift„¢' mode and the <acronym title="transmission control switch">TCS</acronym> is moved back to the drive 'D' position, then normal mode operation is resumed.Sports

Sports mode provides enhanced acceleration and responsiveness by the use of sports shift maps. This mode allows the transmission to down shift more readily and hold gears for longer at higher engine speeds.Manual 'CommandShift„¢'

Manual 'CommandShift' mode allows the transmission to operate as a semi-automatic transmission. The driver can change up and down the six forward gears with the freedom of a manual transmission provided the requested gear is within the allowed engine and vehicle speed range.

Shift maps are provided to protect the engine at high speeds. The <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> will automatically change up to a higher gear ratio to prevent engine overspeed and change down to a lower gear ratio to avoid engine laboring and stalling.

When kick-down is requested the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> shifts down to the lowest available gear. When the vehicle is stationary, the driver can select 1st or 2nd to start off.

Upshifts (+) are optimized for performance via the short shift function, resulting in firmer feeling shifts than in automatic mode. Downshift requests (-) utilize a throttle 'blip' during the shift, resulting in an improved shift feel.

Temporary Manual Gear Selection

With the TCS in the 'D' position, manual mode can be directly accessed by the single action of operating one of the steering wheel paddle switches. This allows immediate, but temporary use of the shift paddles when the TCS is in 'D'. If continued use of manual mode is required, the TCS must be moved to the Sport 'S' position to enter permanent manual mode in the currently selected gear.

If the TCS remains in the 'D' position, temporary manual mode will be held while the driver is accelerating, decelerating, cornering or continuing to request shifts using the paddle switches. The transmission will revert back to automatic operation after a short period of driving at a steady speed. Alternatively, the upshift (+) paddle can be held for approximately 2 seconds to return to automatic mode in TCS position 'D'.

Permanent Manual Gear Selection

Select the 'S' position on the TCS, permanent manual mode is then accessed by the operation of the steering paddle switches. The instrument cluster message center will show the currently selected gear. To exit from manual mode, pull and hold the upshift (+) paddle switch for approximately 2 seconds to return to automatic operation in Sport (S) mode. Alternatively, rotate the TCS to the 'D' position; the transmission will revert to 'D' automatic mode.

Manual Operation

Upshifts are performed using a brief operation of the upshift (+) paddle switch. Downshifts are performed using the downshift (-) paddle switch. The message center will display the selected gear.

The transmission will inhibit upshifts and downshifts if the requested shift would result in an engine speed outside the engine's operating range.

Commandshift„¢ - Additional Features

Kick-Down: - Operation of kick-down mode will override the currently selected gear. The lowest available gear will be selected for maximum acceleration and will be highlighted in the message center. Subsequent manual shifts may then be selected as usual.

Positive Torque: - Provides throttle 'blips' on downshifts, improving transmission shift quality and response.

Shift Assist: - The transmission will automatically upshift at the engine speed redline in CommandShift mode, as if operated manually. The transmission will automatically downshift, when the engine speed falls below the range for the currently selected gear. When the vehicle approaches, or comes to rest, second gear is automatically selected. Subsequent starts from standstill will occur in second gear, unless accelerator pedal demand is high or a downshift is manually selected, in which case first gear will be selected. In all cases the message center will show the currently selected gear.

During sustained braking, if a downshift is selected at a speed which would result in an engine speed outside the engine's operating range, the downshift will be delayed until the vehicle speed has reduced sufficiently for the gear selection to be made, without causing the engine speed to exceed its normal operating range.Cooling

Cooling mode is activated when the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> detects excessively high transmission fluid or engine coolant temperatures. When this mode is active, torque converter lock-up is activated earlier to minimize a further rise in fluid and/or engine coolant temperature and assist fluid cooling.Hill Descent Control (HDC)

The HDC mode assists the <acronym title="anti-lock brake system">ABS</acronym> module in controlling the downhill speed of the vehicle. When HDC is active, the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> selects the most appropriate gear for the descent to maximize engine braking.

Maximum engine braking is applied using a shift map which initiates later upshifts and early downshifts.Cruise

When speed control is activated, the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> receives a speed control active message on the high speed <acronym title="controller area network">CAN</acronym> bus. The <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> activates a speed control map which minimizes up and down shifts.

Cruise mode is active when speed control is selected on and the transmission is in drive 'D', Sport 'S', HDC or a Terrain Response Grass/gravel/snow program. Unique cruise maps override the current mode to provide a smooth driving feel and mode reselection.Limp home

If a transmission fault is detected by the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym>, the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> adopts a limp home strategy and a message 'TRANSMISSION FAULT LIMITED GEARS AVAILABLE' is displayed in the message center. If the fault has an effect on engine emissions, the <acronym title="mal indicator lamp">MIL</acronym> in the instrument cluster will also be illuminated.

In limp home mode, P, R and N functions operate normally (if the fault allows these selections) and the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> locks the transmission in 3rd gear to allow the driver to take the vehicle to a Land Rover dealer or approved repairer. Torque converter lock-up is disabled and reverse-lock-out will not function.

If the vehicle is stopped and subsequently restarted in the limp home mode condition, the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> operates normally until the fault which caused the condition is detected again.Coast

Coast mode provides earlier downshifts during coasting dependant on output shaft deceleration rate to improve driveability and refinement by avoiding negative to positive driveline torque reversal transmissions during the downshifts.Fast Off Recognition

Fast off recognition is activated when the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> detects that the driver has released the accelerator pedal quickly. This is detected by the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> monitoring for a high level of negative pedal angle from <acronym title="engine control module">ECM</acronym> signals on the high speed <acronym title="controller area network">CAN</acronym> bus. If this condition is detected, the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> holds the current gear ratio to allow the driver to complete the manoeuvre without the need for a downshift. The mode can remain active for a predetermined length of time or if the driving style remains passive.

Fast off recognition mode assists vehicle stability and is used in conjunction a lateral acceleration input during cornering to maintain the current gear until the corner is negotiated. Uphill and Trailer

Uphill and trailer mode can be active when the transmission is operating in normal, sport or Terrain Response modes. When the vehicle is pulling a trailer or driving up an incline, the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> detects the increased resistance by monitoring engine torque and speed signals received from the <acronym title="engine control module">ECM</acronym> on the high speed <acronym title="controller area network">CAN</acronym> bus and also transmission output shaft speed sensor signals. Uphill and trailer mode will provide downshifts to prevent a drop in transmission torque output and maintain driving force.Downhill

Downhill mode can be active when the transmission is operating in normal, sport or Terrain Response modes. When the vehicle is descending an incline, the <acronym title="transmission control module">TCM</acronym> detects a reduction in resistance by monitoring engine torque and speed signals received from the <acronym title="engine control module">ECM</acronym> on the high speed <acronym title="controller area network">CAN</acronym> bus and also transmission output shaft speed sensor signals. Downhill mode assists engine braking by selecting an appropriate gear reducing the load required on the brakes.Wide Throttle

Wide open throttle mode operates for part throttle upshifts and kick-down upshifts. It provides consistent wide open throttle upshift performance under all driving conditions. The full engine speed range is used in all driving modes; normal, sport, hill modes and CommandShift„¢. Compensation is used for delays (hydraulic and electronic) in gear change request to gear change start to provide smooth changes and correct shift point correction.Terrain Response

The Terrain Response system has a unique set of shift maps for each of the Terrain Response programs. These programs override existing modes; for example when HDC is active and the 'Sand', 'Mud and Ruts' or 'Grass/Gravel/Snow' programs are selected, a specific Terrain Response map is used, not the HDC mode shift map detailed previously.Reverse Lock-Out

If the <acronym title="transmission control switch">TCS</acronym> is moved from N to R and the vehicle is travelling forwards, reverse selection is prevented if the vehicle speed is 5 km/h (3 mph) or more. When reverse lock-out is activated, the clutch (C3) is released without energizing solenoid (SLC3), preventing the transmission from selecting reverse gear.

The same strategy is applied if the vehicle is moving backwards and D or S are selected on the TCS, the selection will be prevented if the vehicle speed is 5 km/h (3 mph) or more.Kick-Down

When D is selected and the accelerator pedal is fully depressed, the transmission will down-shift to the lowest appropriate gear. Once the accelerator pedal is returned to a normal driving position, the transmission will upshift to the highest appropriate gear. Kick-down will vary according to road speed, current gear selection and accelerator pedal movement.Shift Adapt Under Braking

Under braking, the transmission will vary the downshift point in proportion to braking effort and road gradient. This feature works in conjunction with the positive torque function, resulting in a smoother down-shift. If Sport mode S is selected, driver type recognition will vary the activation of this feature according to driving style.Corner Recognition

Corner recognition inhibits up-shifts during cornering to provided improved vehicle balance. If Sport mode S is selected, driver type recognition will vary the activation of this feature according to driving style.Road Gradient Recognition

When the vehicle is driven on an uphill gradient, the transmission adapts the shift pattern to make better use of the engine power.

When the vehicle is driven on a long downhill gradient, the transmission may automatically select a lower gear to increase engine braking. Selecting Sport mode S will increase the tendency of the transmission to select a lower gear in these conditions, further increasing engine braking.

It is also possible to select a lower gear to increase engine braking using the gear shift - paddle switch.Driver Type Recognition

In Sport mode S, the transmission monitors driving style and in combination with other vehicle systems, varies the shift schedule, fast off, corner recognition and shift adapt under braking functions according to the driving style.
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Thanks, Landman, that is most interesting. I was particularly surprised to see that the 'learning' process only applies in 'S' mode, which explains a lot!

Where did this information come from?
 

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Wow LandMan!

And I thought it was just an "automatic"
! The gear heads are giving up a lot to play with their box. If it were just another automatic verse a stick, I would go for it in a NY minute. No, I wouldn't because here in the US, RR only gives us the automatic.
 

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hi guys,i am working as a LAND ROVER service manager in Greece,if i can help you please ask me whqt ever you want!!
 

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LANDMAN said:
hi guys,i am working as a LAND ROVER service manager in Greece,if i can help you please ask me whqt ever you want!!

I have a question about a procedure I hope to never use. Assume the vehicle (automatic) will NOT start and it's necessary to tow it to a repair shop. Obviously it can't be towed in Park. The manual says to tow in neutral with the ignition on to prevent the vehicle automatically going from neutral to park after 8 minutes or whatever that limited time is.


Is there a procedure for getting the "raising" shift knob into neutral WITHOUT the engine starting? Or is it as simple as the shift knob raising by just holding the start button down while my foot is on the brake? I can't prove that works since my engine fires up immediately.


I don't see anything in the manual about this other than to tow in neutral.
 

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LANDMAN said:
hi guys,i am working as a LAND ROVER service manager in Greece,if i can help you please ask me whqt ever you want!!

I have a question about a procedure I hope to never use. Assume the vehicle (automatic) will NOT start and it's necessary to tow it to a repair shop. Obviously it can't be towed in Park. The manual says to tow in neutral with the ignition on to prevent the vehicle automatically going from neutral to park after 8 minutes or whatever that limited time is.


Is there a procedure for getting the "raising" shift knob into neutral WITHOUT the engine starting? Or is it as simple as the shift knob raising by just holding the start button down while my foot is on the brake? I can't prove that works since my engine fires up immediately.


I don't see anything in the manual about this other than to tow in neutral.

My friend


In an emergency, the vehicle can be towed on
all four wheels for a very short distance but it is
advisable to have the transmission checked by
your Land Rover Dealer/Authorised Repairer.



Call first your dealer because a technician must come and select N for you!!(from the gearbox not the shift knob)!!
 

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LANDMAN said:
Starflyer said:
LANDMAN said:
hi guys,i am working as a LAND ROVER service manager in Greece,if i can help you please ask me whqt ever you want!!

I have a question about a procedure I hope to never use. Assume the vehicle (automatic) will NOT start and it's necessary to tow it to a repair shop. Obviously it can't be towed in Park. The manual says to tow in neutral with the ignition on to prevent the vehicle automatically going from neutral to park after 8 minutes or whatever that limited time is.


Is there a procedure for getting the "raising" shift knob into neutral WITHOUT the engine starting? Or is it as simple as the shift knob raising by just holding the start button down while my foot is on the brake? I can't prove that works since my engine fires up immediately.


I don't see anything in the manual about this other than to tow in neutral.

My friend


In an emergency, the vehicle can be towed on
all four wheels for a very short distance but it is
advisable to have the transmission checked by
your Land Rover Dealer/Authorised Repairer.



Call first your dealer because a technician must come and select N for you!!(from the gearbox not the shift knob)!!
There is no mechanical provision to remove the vehicle from Park in the event of a system fault. However, a service mode is available which allows the TCS to rise without the engine running in order to permit Neutral selection in fault conditions.


The following procedure places the system into service mode:


Hold the '+' gear shift paddle and depress the brake pedal continually for 10 seconds after the ignition has been switched on
The system will remain in service mode until the ignition is switched off or the engine is started
NOTE: If there is a system power failure and the service mode function cannot be activated the only option available to remove the vehicle from Park is to remove the GSM unit from the vehicle. Once the GSM is removed the selector shaft can be manually rotated to the Neutral position.
 

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CAUTION: Before the vehicle is driven and returned to the customer, the GSM gear position learning process must be completed using a Land Rover Approved diagnostic system. This MUST be completed any time the GSM is removed or replaced to ensure that position selection accuracy is maintained. Premature wear to the transmission or failure to select Park may result if the learning process is not performed.
 

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Hey Landman,


Thanks for sharing excerpts from your service manual. Is there any way the service manual canbe shared with us?



I can tell you'll be a very popular man on this forum!
 

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LANDMAN said:
In an emergency, the vehicle can be towed on
all four wheels for a very short distance but it is
advisable to have the transmission checked by
your Land Rover Dealer/Authorised Repairer.



Call first your dealer because a technician must come and select N for you!!(from the gearbox not the shift knob)!!

There is no mechanical provision to remove the vehicle from Park in the event of a system fault. However, a service mode is available which allows the TCS to rise without the engine running in order to permit Neutral selection in fault conditions.


The following procedure places the system into service mode:


Hold the '+' gear shift paddle and depress the brake pedal continually for 10 seconds after the ignition has been switched on
The system will remain in service mode until the ignition is switched off or the engine is started
NOTE: If there is a system power failure and the service mode function cannot be activated the only option available to remove the vehicle from Park is to remove the GSM unit from the vehicle. Once the GSM is removed the selector shaft can be manually rotated to the Neutral position.
I FULLY understand about having a dealer do this procedure, but if one is NOT available, the procedure you mentioned above would be very handy to know. Thanks
 

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Agreed! I have been wondering what you do if the power dies as far as getting it out of park!!
 

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Hammie said:
Agreed! I have been wondering what you do if the power dies as far as getting it out of park!!

AUXILIARY BATTERY MODULE




The auxiliary battery module is a back up power supply system which supports automatic transmission Park selection, in the event of a system failure, by controlling the emergency park engagement feature of the GSM.The auxiliary battery module system consists of a reserve battery and a module. The module has the following primary functions:<ul style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, arial; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; ">[*]Determine when to deploy the emergency park engagement function[*]Provide the input signal to the GSM to activate the emergency park engagement system[*]Provide emergency power and communication to the<acronym title="transmission control module" style="color: blue; ">TCM</acronym>during an emergency park engagement event[*]Reserve battery charging.[/list]
 

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Hey LandMan,

Another question. The last two times I've been in my car WITHOUT the engine running, I turned on the radio and get the following warning...


Low battery, entertainment system will shut down in 3 minutes unless engine is started. I have NO reason to suspect there is anything wrong with the car's battery as the engine cranks promptly, unlike cranking an engine on a weak battery where it barely turns over.


Does the entertainment system (radio, GPS etc) have it's own battery? And if so, I'm wondering if I should trot into my dealer to have it checked/replaced? Later this morning I'm going out on a run that should recharge any battery. If I get the same warning when I return, I'm definitely thinking about a trip to the dealer.
 

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Hey LandMan,

Another question. The last two times I've been in my car WITHOUT the engine running, I turned on the radio and get the following warning...


Low battery, entertainment system will shut down in 3 minutes unless engine is started. I have NO reason to suspect there is anything wrong with the car's battery as the engine cranks promptly, unlike cranking an engine on a weak battery where it barely turns over.


Does the entertainment system (radio, GPS etc) have it's own battery? And if so, I'm wondering if I should trot into my dealer to have it checked/replaced? Later this morning I'm going out on a run that should recharge any battery. If I get the same warning when I return, I'm definitely thinking about a trip to the dealer.

All Evoques do this (in fact, this has been raised on here already today, and is a common concern). It's just designed to prevent you flattening your battery, and, like it or not, you have no choice about it or means to override it.
 

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Starflyer said:
LANDMAN said:
In an emergency, the vehicle can be towed on
all four wheels for a very short distance but it is
advisable to have the transmission checked by
your Land Rover Dealer/Authorised Repairer.



Call first your dealer because a technician must come and select N for you!!(from the gearbox not the shift knob)!!
In rereading your post here, I'm now wondering if the only way the car can be safely towed is having neutral selected from the gearbox as above.


Does the other procedure NOT put the transmission in neutral for safe towing? I understand about not towing a car very far with an automatic transmission without damaging the transmission. However, these procedures seem to be a manufacturing default, especially in a AWD vehicle that may get some mild off road use.
 

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Hi Landman, I wonder if you could please help with a non-urgent but niggling problem I have.


Uploading of CD was interrupted as the car switched off (engine not running). When I try to access the part uploaded CD, the system is telling me that no CD's are stored, despite the fact that the part uploaded CD tracks areplaying as the screen shows this message!



I have tried to upload again to a different slot but nothing happens - I go through the system, to choosing which slot, press upload and nothing. I have tried alternative CD's but again, although going through the motions, when I press upload, nothing happens.



Do you have any advice as to how I can clear this or what the problem could be please? I have spoken to my dealer who went through the process on the telephone, I was doing exactly as I should be. He now says a visit to the dealer is necessary, but for such a small problem (after all, I can load the physical CD's and listen to them that way) it would be time consuming and I am very busy at work at present.



Any advice you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
 
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