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This is my setup. And I got the upgrade to allow for SOTA updates. I've done one so far via my phone hotspot wireless network.
It however does NOT allow me to get the smartphone pack upgrade as my hardware is not compatible with it.
So I am going to have the UIP high-line version & harness retrofitted, my Car Configuration File updated and then the Smartphone pack installed. Here in Down Under paying $1600 (about GBP 900) for that.
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That's really interesting Biker, you've got the same interface as me and presumably the same model wiring. The top service man at LR Solihull just phoned me to say they couldn't retrofit the highline shown below unless the main engine harness was replaced at a cost of £4k+ - most of that 16 hours labour.

So in Oz they will do the whole job of less than a quarter of that!! It would be really helpful if you could let me know the part numbers they are going to replace and the labour charges estimated.

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There is a youtube video of someone who did the same thing. There is a harness between the UIP and the 10" screen via a connection under the front seat. So they have to take the seat out, removing paneling around centre console and parts of the dash. I was told JLR does NOT provide this as a service, hence me going to an aftermarket JLR specialist.
Even if you have the smaller 8" screen, you can upgrade the screen too, but still require harness upgrade as well.
I am planning to have mine done next week or week after.
Here is a video I saw which leads me to believe it is very similar process, just not the screen replacement.
Similar process as this Video Link
Here is some of the conversation I had with my indie

"Cool. I have the UIPs & cables in stock, so it's just a matter of organising a time to do it. "

"Initially it appeared that only Android Auto was possible without changing the UIP however I've tried that several times on a few different models & couldn't get it to work. So now we just do the full retrofit, because it's going to work without any doubts. "


"In the cars that have the necessary hardware, it's simply a matter of "activating" it and for those cars there is/was an automated routine in the dealers diagnostic tool to do that. So it was "free" in the sense that it was already there, just not activated. The cars that don't have the necessary hardware, the dealers could never activate it. For those cars we have been doing the retrofit and activation (also for the dealers sometimes) but there are costs of course for the hardware, the cables I had to get custom made because they aren't available from JLR, and then the time to install it, the cost of the diagnostic equipment, and the time it took us to reverse engineer the whole setup."
"Thanks for the info. I can sort this out for you, retrofit a Mid/High UIP & activate the smartphone pack. Will need the car for a few hours at my place in Seven Hills."

They have facbook page where they show retrofitting Android Auto and Apple CarPlay to many older JLR vehicles
 

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There is a youtube video of someone who did the same thing. There is a harness between the UIP and the 10" screen via a connection under the front seat. So they have to take the seat out, removing paneling around centre console and parts of the dash. I was told JLR does NOT provide this as a service, hence me going to an aftermarket JLR specialist.
Even if you have the smaller 8" screen, you can upgrade the screen too, but still require harness upgrade as well.
I am planning to have mine done next week or week after.
Here is a video I saw which leads me to believe it is very similar process, just not the screen replacement.
Similar process as this Video Link
Here is some of the conversation I had with my indie

"Cool. I have the UIPs & cables in stock, so it's just a matter of organising a time to do it. "

"Initially it appeared that only Android Auto was possible without changing the UIP however I've tried that several times on a few different models & couldn't get it to work. So now we just do the full retrofit, because it's going to work without any doubts. "


"In the cars that have the necessary hardware, it's simply a matter of "activating" it and for those cars there is/was an automated routine in the dealers diagnostic tool to do that. So it was "free" in the sense that it was already there, just not activated. The cars that don't have the necessary hardware, the dealers could never activate it. For those cars we have been doing the retrofit and activation (also for the dealers sometimes) but there are costs of course for the hardware, the cables I had to get custom made because they aren't available from JLR, and then the time to install it, the cost of the diagnostic equipment, and the time it took us to reverse engineer the whole setup."
"Thanks for the info. I can sort this out for you, retrofit a Mid/High UIP & activate the smartphone pack. Will need the car for a few hours at my place in Seven Hills."

They have facbook page where they show retrofitting Android Auto and Apple CarPlay to many older JLR vehicles
Brilliant, thanks v much for taking the trouble to post that. I have reached out (electronically) to Nathan as they say.
His video is excellent but I don't think he fits the highline interface in it, The new harness is plugged into the 2 usb version. EDIT Sorry looking again I don't think the UIP is that one - maybe (c)?

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So, I had this guy fix up my system to now have Android Auto and Apple CarPlay in under 2 hours!
Process involved getting my old fitting removed and new connection fitting in the centre console. It also involved fitting a new harness (i.e. needed to get under the front seat). Once it was all fitted, there was some software doohickey involved and the end result was Android Auto and Apple CarPlay.
The low down is, JLR does not have a harness that will fit, so my guy had to have it custom made. There are also 3 different display systems in play between 2012 and 2017. (Bosh, Harmann and now JLR branded)
So not even JLR can offer this fix with their standard parts I believe, unless perhaps you opt to also replace a whole lot of other parts in the process.
So for my UK bretheren, the hardware/harness is the easy part and as for the software tinkering, there is/was a guy in Cornwell that could do this software thing, but I was made to believe he is not really in the business of working on private cars and he went off radar too for a year when my guy tried contacting him.
Anyhow, very pleased with my 'upgrade' as I can now Google Maps, Waze,Spotify, Google voice (short press on voice uses car voice and long press on voice command button switches it to Google voice because I use Android Auto) and seemless switching between options in android auto and also native JLR screens.
Volume and skipping also works from steering wheel on Spotify.
As a bonus InControl also popped up.
 

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So, I had this guy fix up my system to now have Android Auto and Apple CarPlay in under 2 hours!
Process involved getting my old fitting removed and new connection fitting in the centre console. It also involved fitting a new harness (i.e. needed to get under the front seat). Once it was all fitted, there was some software doohickey involved and the end result was Android Auto and Apple CarPlay.
The low down is, JLR does not have a harness that will fit, so my guy had to have it custom made. There are also 3 different display systems in play between 2012 and 2017. (Bosh, Harmann and now JLR branded)
So not even JLR can offer this fix with their standard parts I believe, unless perhaps you opt to also replace a whole lot of other parts in the process.
So for my UK bretheren, the hardware/harness is the easy part and as for the software tinkering, there is/was a guy in Cornwell that could do this software thing, but I was made to believe he is not really in the business of working on private cars and he went off radar too for a year when my guy tried contacting him.
Anyhow, very pleased with my 'upgrade' as I can now Google Maps, Waze,Spotify, Google voice (short press on voice uses car voice and long press on voice command button switches it to Google voice because I use Android Auto) and seemless switching between options in android auto and also native JLR screens.
Volume and skipping also works from steering wheel on Spotify.
As a bonus InControl also popped up.
Is your internet access through your phone only or has the vehicle antennae been connected to use a separate data sim card in the centre console.?
 

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Looking at the pics...the software ie Android Auto and Apple Car Play "buttons" and carplay interface look identical to mine ie use the official "Smartphone" pack......in terms of hardware this seems to work with the original none SIM interface......I am guessing therefore the hardware is simply the harness .....that makes sense as the Smartphone pack does not actually use the car SIM even where one is fitted ie it is simply and extension of your phone and always uses your phones SIM......in effect the presence of the SIM slot is simply an indicator of whether your car is capable of the Smartphone pack from factory or not.....the SIM slot is not actually required by the Smartphone pack
 

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What @Jonttt said.
There is still no sim fitted and it doesn't need it. Still using my phone hotspot to connect to internet and seperately, USB with cable for Android Auto functionaly.
 

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What @Jonttt said.
There is still no sim fitted and it doesn't need it. Still using my phone hotspot to connect to internet and seperately, USB with cable for Android Auto functionaly.
What @JackJ said then - Good Result 😉😄
 

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What @JackJ said then - Good Result 😉😄
Erm....I don’t think so

JackJ stated that without the SIM car slot the smartphone pack could not the installed (understandably at the time) but what Biker has proven is that it can ie NOT what JackJ said then ;-) the SIM slot is actually irrelevant......its the different wiring harness that is needed
 

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Erm....I don’t think so

JackJ stated that without the SIM car slot the smartphone pack could not the installed (understandably at the time) but what Biker has proven is that it can ie NOT what JackJ said then ;-) the SIM slot is actually irrelevant......its the different wiring harness that is needed
all true but sadly for those of us UK residents with cars still in warranty the doohickey with the car config file would be frowned upon by JLR - if the bloke in Cornwall has come out of hiding to do it of coursel :cool:
 

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I suspect the CCF gets updated with a setting somewhere that states the vehicle now has the required UIP med-high line version and thus elligeable for the smartphone pack upgrade.
Just for the record, the pathfinder tool/platform from JLR does not work on my car as it still uses the older CAN system interface via OBD2 tool.
So, even if you do get your CCF updated, I'm not sure the JLR shop will know once they plug in their tools and do whatever they need to do. It is not like it is going to give them a warning to say there is something untowards going on.
Or so my logic dictates....
 

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@Jonttt My comment is true with regards to getting the upgrade done through “official” channels ie with JLR. JLR state without the SIM it can’t be done with them.
 
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@Jonttt My comment is true with regards to getting the upgrade done through “official” channels ie with JLR. JLR state without the SIM it can’t be done with them.
This is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth 😁
 

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Option B in the image in a previous post here also have no SIM slot, but in line for being able to get smartphone pack?
 

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This is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth 😁
Haha 😂 “......” I “DO NOT” lie about this type of thing “......” 😂
 
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The Smartphone upgrade is not really my beef with JLR, although it is related. The dispute currently before the Motor Ombudsman is about misrepresentation. I'm currently looking for other examples of MY 2017 Evos factory fitted with the In Control Touch Pro 2 Infotainment system 10.2” head unit but having no SIM card slot in the centre console UIP to enable internet access via a data SIM in the vehicle rather than the customer's own phone. Certainly my dealer hadn't come across this incompatibility before, which is why he advertised the car as having live InControl Touch Pro Navigation - as per my unique build spec (see below.)
 

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@Jonttt My comment is true with regards to getting the upgrade done through “official” channels ie with JLR. JLR state without the SIM it can’t be done with them.
My response to Bikers great update was to clarify that his solution proved that technically the SIM card functionality was not required for the Smartphone pack and therefore a (presumably) cheaper wiring harness only solution would work.....

As I stated in that reply your previous comments that a SIM card slot was required was therefore technically wrong (but I did state understandably so as JLR had stated the SIM slot was required) and I was simply pointing that out......the relvenace being that if someone wanted to add the Smartphone pack ability to one of the Touchscreen Pro cars without a SIM slot that they could do so without the extra expense of also adding SIM card functionality......I thought that was an important enough point to clarify.....

The whole issue here is that it has been identified that not all Touchscreen Pro equpied cars (ie no physical side buttons) are equal and that earlier cars with this fitted did not have either the SIM card functionality or the correct wiring harness to facilitate the communication required to operate the smartphone pack (apple carplay and Android Auto). It is has now been established that :

- the prescence of the SIM card slot in the armrest is a tell tale sign that the car cannot install / use the Smartphone pack (and obviosly no dedicated SIM card functionality for things like SOTA updates and live route guidance ....a phones WiFi hotspot can be used instead)

- JLR will only retrofit a solution at a significant cost as they will only do it with the SIM functionality which presumably is expensive (but not actually required for Smartphone pack functionality)

- It is possbile to retrofit just the required wiring harness for the Smartphone pack and install the software and it works as it would have from the factory (presumably at a cheaper cost than the official JLR solution with the unrequired SIM card functionality)

Bottom line is :

  • you can pay JLR a fortune to retrofit both SIM card & Smartphone functionality
  • you can pay less unofficially to just have the required wiring harness retrofitted and smartphone software installed / activated
  • you could even try to get JLR to offer a none SIM card solution (ie just fit the wiring harness) ...good luck with that one
  • you can not bother

It will presumably be a small number of cars affected and most owners of those cars will be blissfully unaware, others will have bought the car originally without this functionality in any case (ie it was an add on feature offered by JLR after the cars where originally sold, or bought 2nd hand and don'et need it / would not use it.......there will be a very small number who bought one of these cars becuase they thought it had the smartphone pack functionality......I can 100% sympathise with that as to be honest I've been deliberating whether to keep my MY 17 car.....it was a very fine line but ultimately I have decided to keep it long term......part of that reason was the significant improvement in the functionality of the user interface including the ability to use Android Auto in one of its better integrations (based on my experience of other cars where it is not integrated as well into the manufacturer software)....in short I really think if the car did not have the smartphone pack I would not be keeping the car.......I can therefore fully understand it being a deciding factor in someone buying one of these cars...........if that was incorrectly stated as part of the buying process I can see a genuine reason for rejection of the car for mis selling.....it will seem petty to some but I for one can understand how important that can be
 
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Bottom line is :
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  • you can pay less unofficially to just have the required wiring harness retrofitted and smartphone software installed / activated
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only in Oz or if you find the guy hiding in a Cornish cave....;)
 
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